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		<title>By: SRoeCo Solar</title>
		<link>http://sroeco.com/solar/most-efficient-solar-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>SRoeCo Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joey. Actually, nothing happens. The panels keep producing energy even after 25 years. It&#039;s possible that the panels could continue producing energy after 50 years (albeit likely at 60-80% of what it produced in Year 1). So, no, you won&#039;t have to purchase a whole new system. You would likely have to replace the inverter every 10-15 years, but not the panels.

Maintenance is typically keeping the panels clear of too much debris (dust, dirt, leaves, etc). Depending on where you live, simply hosing the panels down with water every few months is sufficient. Here&#039;s an article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://1bog.org/r/dyxhp/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1BOG&lt;/a&gt; about solar monitoring and &lt;a href=&quot;http://howsolarworks.1bog.org/solar-maintenance-monitoring/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;maintenance&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joey. Actually, nothing happens. The panels keep producing energy even after 25 years. It&#8217;s possible that the panels could continue producing energy after 50 years (albeit likely at 60-80% of what it produced in Year 1). So, no, you won&#8217;t have to purchase a whole new system. You would likely have to replace the inverter every 10-15 years, but not the panels.</p>
<p>Maintenance is typically keeping the panels clear of too much debris (dust, dirt, leaves, etc). Depending on where you live, simply hosing the panels down with water every few months is sufficient. Here&#8217;s an article on <a href="http://1bog.org/r/dyxhp/" rel="nofollow">1BOG</a> about solar monitoring and <a href="http://howsolarworks.1bog.org/solar-maintenance-monitoring/" rel="nofollow">maintenance</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is wealth of information!  thank you,

I have some questions about the longevity of solar systems.  it appears that most systems are guaranteed for about 20 - 25 years.  but what happens after that? would you have to purchase a whole new system?  

what type of maintenance is necessary to maintain the system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is wealth of information!  thank you,</p>
<p>I have some questions about the longevity of solar systems.  it appears that most systems are guaranteed for about 20 &#8211; 25 years.  but what happens after that? would you have to purchase a whole new system?  </p>
<p>what type of maintenance is necessary to maintain the system?</p>
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		<title>By: willy g</title>
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		<dc:creator>willy g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys, I keep hearing about efficiency going up, but I don&#039;t seem to ever see it happening. I fully expect the multijunction cells to get here eventually, but I also expect them to be expensive. I keep expecting the real specs like $/watt and $/area to go down, and even if the cells are more expensive the assembly process costs must still be a large chunk of the price. Given that the global installed volume is &#039;charging&#039; :-) up fast, I would expect the installed price/watt to keep coming down. When is all of this going to become practical, after the subsidies end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys, I keep hearing about efficiency going up, but I don&#8217;t seem to ever see it happening. I fully expect the multijunction cells to get here eventually, but I also expect them to be expensive. I keep expecting the real specs like $/watt and $/area to go down, and even if the cells are more expensive the assembly process costs must still be a large chunk of the price. Given that the global installed volume is &#8216;charging&#8217; <img src='http://sroeco.com/solar/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  up fast, I would expect the installed price/watt to keep coming down. When is all of this going to become practical, after the subsidies end?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Vietje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Vietje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

Its interesting to compare module efficiency, but in most cases, it&#039;s little more than an academic exercise, as long as you are comparing the PTC or CEC ratings, and not relying on the STC ratings that look more favorable.

There are only 2 conditions where the module efficiency matters for residential installations:

1.  Limited mounting area requires a more expensive, higher efficiency module to allow the desired array to &quot;fit&quot; into the available space.  In other words, you need a 5 kW array, and only 4.6 kW would fit with the lower efficiency modules, so you decide to purchase the more expensive option to reach the 5 kW goal.

2.  If there is a big difference between the STC and the PTC, you should figure out expected production, and compare price quotes based on that.  Solar modules and even installed systems are sold by the Watt, just as chicken is sold by the pound (or kg).  Usually the STC is the figure used to price a system at, say, $5.50/watt.  Comparing the cost to the more realistic PTC or CEC numbers would give a better representation of which offer was the best value.

There is no sense in a potential solar customer waiting until the efficiency reaches some particular level -- a 4 kW system will make the same amount of power at 35% efficiency as at 15% -- it just takes up less room to do the same work.

Clear skies,

Brad Vietje
Green Works Solar Store
Groton &amp; St. Johnsbury, VT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>Its interesting to compare module efficiency, but in most cases, it&#8217;s little more than an academic exercise, as long as you are comparing the PTC or CEC ratings, and not relying on the STC ratings that look more favorable.</p>
<p>There are only 2 conditions where the module efficiency matters for residential installations:</p>
<p>1.  Limited mounting area requires a more expensive, higher efficiency module to allow the desired array to &#8220;fit&#8221; into the available space.  In other words, you need a 5 kW array, and only 4.6 kW would fit with the lower efficiency modules, so you decide to purchase the more expensive option to reach the 5 kW goal.</p>
<p>2.  If there is a big difference between the STC and the PTC, you should figure out expected production, and compare price quotes based on that.  Solar modules and even installed systems are sold by the Watt, just as chicken is sold by the pound (or kg).  Usually the STC is the figure used to price a system at, say, $5.50/watt.  Comparing the cost to the more realistic PTC or CEC numbers would give a better representation of which offer was the best value.</p>
<p>There is no sense in a potential solar customer waiting until the efficiency reaches some particular level &#8212; a 4 kW system will make the same amount of power at 35% efficiency as at 15% &#8212; it just takes up less room to do the same work.</p>
<p>Clear skies,</p>
<p>Brad Vietje<br />
Green Works Solar Store<br />
Groton &amp; St. Johnsbury, VT</p>
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		<title>By: SRoeCo Solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SRoeCo Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Paul,

I believe your instincts are correct. There seems to be a problem with the system. You should contact your installer, inform them exactly what you&#039;ve written here: mainly that the peak ratings have not been higher than 3.1 kW for the first month. This is about 69% of the 4.5 kW rating, when you should be maxing a lot closer to 95% peak power readings (or ~4.2 kW).

You can check other solar pv output data at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pvoutput.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.pvoutput.org&lt;/a&gt;. Here is an example &lt;a href=&quot;http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=291&amp;sid=3290&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4.464 kW&lt;/a&gt; system with Suntech panels for your comparison.

Thank you for describing your situation so well. Please, let us know the solution to your issue when it is found. Though most pv systems should work without a hitch from the start, your situation could be helpful to future pv system owners.

Yours in solar,
Shawn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Paul,</p>
<p>I believe your instincts are correct. There seems to be a problem with the system. You should contact your installer, inform them exactly what you&#8217;ve written here: mainly that the peak ratings have not been higher than 3.1 kW for the first month. This is about 69% of the 4.5 kW rating, when you should be maxing a lot closer to 95% peak power readings (or ~4.2 kW).</p>
<p>You can check other solar pv output data at <a href="http://www.pvoutput.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pvoutput.org</a>. Here is an example <a href="http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id=291&#038;sid=3290" rel="nofollow">4.464 kW</a> system with Suntech panels for your comparison.</p>
<p>Thank you for describing your situation so well. Please, let us know the solution to your issue when it is found. Though most pv systems should work without a hitch from the start, your situation could be helpful to future pv system owners.</p>
<p>Yours in solar,<br />
Shawn</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Yagmoor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Yagmoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I have just had a 4.5kW system installed by a professional company in Australia. The system uses 20-Suntech 225W panels and a 4.2kW Aurora Inverter. 

We have not seen a Peak Power reading greater than 3.1 kW on the inverter meter since installation one month ago. This is despite perfect conditions with with clear skies and the sun directly overhead. Ambient temperature was noted to be low, 20-25 degrees when the observations were made at mid-day. The panels are inclined at 30 degrees and face directly north (optimum orientation conditions). Our lattitude is approximately 37 degrees south and there is no shading on the panels.

My instincts tell me that there is a problem with the system due to the low peak power readings seen. Given that power generation conditions are excellent, what percentage of the advertised 4.5kW should I be seeing at the inverter meter.

Suntech guarantee their panels to have 95% of rated output in the initial years of their life. Is the lower rated 4.2kW inverter the problem? For your information, I have compared readings on the same days with a neighbour who has a ten year old system. He reports 85% power generation of his system&#039;s rating

Your advice is appreciated.

Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have just had a 4.5kW system installed by a professional company in Australia. The system uses 20-Suntech 225W panels and a 4.2kW Aurora Inverter. </p>
<p>We have not seen a Peak Power reading greater than 3.1 kW on the inverter meter since installation one month ago. This is despite perfect conditions with with clear skies and the sun directly overhead. Ambient temperature was noted to be low, 20-25 degrees when the observations were made at mid-day. The panels are inclined at 30 degrees and face directly north (optimum orientation conditions). Our lattitude is approximately 37 degrees south and there is no shading on the panels.</p>
<p>My instincts tell me that there is a problem with the system due to the low peak power readings seen. Given that power generation conditions are excellent, what percentage of the advertised 4.5kW should I be seeing at the inverter meter.</p>
<p>Suntech guarantee their panels to have 95% of rated output in the initial years of their life. Is the lower rated 4.2kW inverter the problem? For your information, I have compared readings on the same days with a neighbour who has a ten year old system. He reports 85% power generation of his system&#8217;s rating</p>
<p>Your advice is appreciated.</p>
<p>Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Solar panel maker Solaria raises $20 million &#124; VentureBeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solar panel maker Solaria raises $20 million &#124; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] panels in ready supply throughout California are rated at 15.64 percent efficiency, according to SROeCo. Solar panel efficiency is calculated by dividing the power output in watts by the surface area of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] panels in ready supply throughout California are rated at 15.64 percent efficiency, according to SROeCo. Solar panel efficiency is calculated by dividing the power output in watts by the surface area of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SRoeCo Solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SRoeCo Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arvind,
Glad you appreciate the site. It&#039;s my pleasure. Designing a battery DC solar system from scratch is no simple task. I&#039;m sorry that I can&#039;t advise you in this area. Two resources to check are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/yago87.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Backwoods Home&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP3_3_pg58_Undercuffler&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SolarPro&lt;/a&gt; Magazine. You&#039;ve got an interesting idea! If you hope to succeed, don&#039;t give up. The world needs more sustainable energy entrepreneurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arvind,<br />
Glad you appreciate the site. It&#8217;s my pleasure. Designing a battery DC solar system from scratch is no simple task. I&#8217;m sorry that I can&#8217;t advise you in this area. Two resources to check are <a href="http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/yago87.html" rel="nofollow">Backwoods Home</a> and <a href="http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP3_3_pg58_Undercuffler" rel="nofollow">SolarPro</a> Magazine. You&#8217;ve got an interesting idea! If you hope to succeed, don&#8217;t give up. The world needs more sustainable energy entrepreneurs.</p>
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		<title>By: SRoeCo Solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SRoeCo Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,
You can compare more panels using my &lt;a href=&quot;http://sroeco.com/solar/table/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Solar Comparison Table&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,<br />
You can compare more panels using my <a href="http://sroeco.com/solar/table/" rel="nofollow">Solar Comparison Table</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: SRoeCo Solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SRoeCo Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pavel,
Solar tracking systems are calculated to track the Sun based on it&#039;s position in the sky during specific times of the day and days of the year. They are automatically designed to maximize output in that regard. Yes, you will gain efficiency using this type of system as long as the output difference is greater than the energy needed to move the panels. Trackers also add cost ($) to the overall system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavel,<br />
Solar tracking systems are calculated to track the Sun based on it&#8217;s position in the sky during specific times of the day and days of the year. They are automatically designed to maximize output in that regard. Yes, you will gain efficiency using this type of system as long as the output difference is greater than the energy needed to move the panels. Trackers also add cost ($) to the overall system.</p>
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